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to this crisis. we're talking about the fiscal cliff. >> it hasn't got ensigned into law. there's no success yet there. >> boehner should move it tomorrow. he should just do that. >> jonathan? >> listen, the president campaigned on a three to one spending reduction and we're not see anything spending here. democrats controlled two-thirds of the chips. >> joy ann, why is this all about taxes? >> one reelection and the -- it doesn't do that much spending. >> it's been all about taxes. >> all about raising taxes. >> there's this obsession with raising taxes. >> it was to go after school lunches and elderly care, health care for poor kids and increased spending. >> no, no, no, they want entitlement reform, joy ann. why this obsession with cutting old people's medicare? >> it's not an obsession about cutting benefits to the elderly, joy ann. it's about reforming medicare over time so at some point in the future we don't tell an 80-year-old you know what? you're not going get the medicare cha you thought you would have. this is about not hurting the elderly. >> the republican solution is to hand 80-ye
the solution to the problem enacted into law. >> that might be the strategy. in other words, small increments on a monthly or bimonthly basis, instead of holding up the debt and defaulting, which would drop our credit, you're saying the gop may call for small increments until a real spending cut package can be worked out. is that the strategy? >> that would be my strategy. i would love to solve this problem by the end of february early march. that's not going to happen because president obama is utterly unwilling to rein in the size of government. we're going to have to message, message, message. pound home that point. maybe do something incrementally, message again. give something. continue concessions until we fix this problem once and for all. >> senator ron johnson, sir, happy new year. as always, thank you for joining us. >> same to you. have a good night. >>> in yet another sizzling story tonight, the question is whether john boehner is in danger of losing his job as speaker of the house. the conservative rumor mill is just running wild over this. that's not all mr. boehner is getting h
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